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  Has Politics Hurt Your Friendships?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if you want to believe that jehovah’s witnesses have the truth, that’s your right.

  if you want to believe in global warming being the most horrific thing we have to face,that’s your right.

  have you been adversely affected by political stands and beliefs?

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  Bungi Bill

  In a word, no.

  Practically, every one I have involvement with is of a similar mind to me

  ie. has little confidence in any of them, and does not allow themselves to get bent all out of shape over the matter of politics.
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  London Protest 2018

  by josephus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well today marks the beginning and biggest day of our protest at the london excel.. we believe it's a record number at around 100 exjws at the front door.. we spoke to lots of jw's and one young man studying who has quit after talking to us.

  we've been approached privately by jw's who thanked us for coming and the security at the event treated us very well.. if anyone wants to see some clips they are available on my channel the great apostate.. thanks to all for the support and love..

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  Bungi Bill

  Some of us have likely heard of David A Reed, a former JW elder and later Baptist Minister. He is also a rather prolific author of religious books, including one entitled "How to get Jehovahs Witnesses to Listen".

  The following is an extract from a January 1990 interview with him by Investigator magazine, and specifically refers to the role protestors played in this couple (David and Penni Reed) waking up to the fraud that is the JW religion.

  
  

  
  

  
  

  What broke the spell and enabled you to leave the organization?

  DAVID: "Bible reading! The Scripture is true that says, 'the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword'." (Hebrews 4:12 New King James)

  PENNI: "We were at a Witness convention, and. a handful of opposers were picketing outside. One of them carried a sign that said, 'READ THE BIBLE, NOT THE WATCHTOWER'. We had no sympathy for the picketers, but we did feel convicted by this sign, because we knew that we had been reading the Watchtower to the exclusion of reading the Bible."

  (For those interested, a record of the full interview can be found at https://ed5015.tripod.com/jwelderdavidreed10)

  From accounts such as this and others, it would surely be rather narrow minded to dismiss all anti-JW protests as ineffectual (or worse)?

  (Yeah, all-right, I know this is "merely" anecdoatal evidence! However, even anecdotal evidence has to be taken into account).
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  London Protest 2018

  by josephus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well today marks the beginning and biggest day of our protest at the london excel.. we believe it's a record number at around 100 exjws at the front door.. we spoke to lots of jw's and one young man studying who has quit after talking to us.

  we've been approached privately by jw's who thanked us for coming and the security at the event treated us very well.. if anyone wants to see some clips they are available on my channel the great apostate.. thanks to all for the support and love..

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  Bungi Bill

  It took me seven years to extract my MS/Reg Pio mind from the indoctrination but it started with a tiny seed.

  We shouldn't dismiss out of hand the consequences that can result from introducing even just one element of doubt into somebody's mind.

  Receive enough of these for long enough and who knows what might happen. It certainly worked for me! My waking up to the TTAT came from the accumulation of a long series of doubts, rather than one spectacular "Road to Damascus" type of experience. ( And by the sound of things, Farmer Jim 1 experienced something similar).

  A certain old expression "The Ordinary rather than The Spectacular" comes very much to mind here!

  
  
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  London Protest 2018

  by josephus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well today marks the beginning and biggest day of our protest at the london excel.. we believe it's a record number at around 100 exjws at the front door.. we spoke to lots of jw's and one young man studying who has quit after talking to us.

  we've been approached privately by jw's who thanked us for coming and the security at the event treated us very well.. if anyone wants to see some clips they are available on my channel the great apostate.. thanks to all for the support and love..

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  Bungi Bill

  Just because you weren't cut out for it doesn't mean that others weren't or aren't.

  Very good point. When it comes to this sort of thing, one size definitely doesn't fit all!
  
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  Why go back to the Old Testament?

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why do jws insist on still quoting from the old testament to back up some of their wacky ideas?

  such as on blood, beards, abortion, tattoos, etc.

  surely if the mosaic law code was nailed to the torture stake all of its parts were cancelled.

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  Bungi Bill

  FTS,

  
  

  Once again, very interesting.
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  Bad teachings for kids

  by Freedom rocks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during my time in the cult i sometimes sat during a talk thinking why on earth are they talking about topics like this with kids in the audience.

  talking about sex and masturbation was probably the worst one i heard and my daughter was only 5 at the time.. what inappropriate talks or comments have you heard over the years that children should not be exposed to really?.

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  Bungi Bill

  I give my late father full marks here.

  His newly-converted JW mother managed to lure him along to a few public talks (mainly at Circuit Assemblies) and other JW meetings. However, he was quick to note that much of the content was not suitable for the many children in the audience. Consequently, he resisted the pressure from his JW mother to have us kids reared as Witnesses.

  For that I cannot thank him enough!
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  Why go back to the Old Testament?

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why do jws insist on still quoting from the old testament to back up some of their wacky ideas?

  such as on blood, beards, abortion, tattoos, etc.

  surely if the mosaic law code was nailed to the torture stake all of its parts were cancelled.

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  Bungi Bill

  Once more, where is David_Jay when you need him!

  Those versed in the history of the Jewish people would be quick to tell you that the Jewish writers of the Old Testament never intended it to be taken literally. Rather, it was written purely as a collection of folklore, with a view towards helping preserve the unique identity of the people after they were exiled to Babylon.

  You can only marvel at the craziness of those who allow themselves to get bent all out of shape over the things said in a collection of Middle East fairy tales!
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  The great 1914 turn around

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i must say there is no other religion in modern times that has lied more to their cult followers than the watchtower company and no more brain dead, gullible cult members than the jdubs.. just three examples.

  when russel was in charge 1914 was prophesied to be the end of the system of things with armageddon and the earthly paradise.

  that didn't happen and poof now 1914 was not the end, oh no, it was the beginning of the end.. the second example, the generation that saw 1914 would not pass away before the end came, which meant in all jdubs minds that paradise had to be here in the late 1990's.

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  Bungi Bill

  It would seem that even in the time of Judge Joseph Boozerford, Crazy Fred was the closest thing they ever had to a theologian.
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  Silent lambs: Child sexual abuse and the Jehovah’s Witness [New Zealand Investigation]

  by The Poetry Of Reality in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://thespinoff.co.nz/the-best-of/23-07-2018/silent-lambs-child-sexual-abuse-and-the-jehovahs-witness/.

  i just would like to thank amy for all the work she's put into this over the last year - as well as all the people that participated in this.

  as a member of the new zealand community, i'm very thankful and appreciative.. #astormiscoming.

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  Bungi Bill

  Thanks for posting.

  Sorry to have to report that I knew personally several of the perpetrators. Thankful, though, that neither got his filthy fingers on my daughters!
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  JWs and Guns.

  by blownaway in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was told shooting guns and collecting them was not something a jw should do.

  when i lived way up north us it was more of a deer hunting group and so some guns were ok, when i moved to florida it was different.

  most people in the hall were not hunters.

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  Bungi Bill

  I grew up in an environment in which almost every guy owned .22, a shotgun and a .303.There were very practical reasons for this. Pest control was (and still is) a real issue. Also deer skins (and later venison) commanded high prices. Hunting was a practical way to supplement ones income.Upon becoming a JW, this didn’t change too much. The only flak I copped was not over owning a firearm, but over going out hunting on weekends, when I should have been engaged in the “Field Circus” business instead!